NHL take on the NBA scandal?
31 08 2007“The Only Thing Our Refs shave is the ice.”
- A Dallas Stars billboard near the American Airlines Center, the building they share with the Dallas Mavericks
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- A Dallas Stars billboard near the American Airlines Center, the building they share with the Dallas Mavericks
According to Philadelphia Sports Radio 950’s Jamie Yannacone, other officials could be implicated in the Donaghy gambling case.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a former NBA player told Yannacone that if Donaghy talks “double-digit numbers of referees and at least one player could be implicated”.
Of course, this is all dependent on if Donaghy talks.
“Either way, it might be the case that nothing comes to light if Donaghy keeps quiet,” Yannacone told Not The Game, “but my source, a former NBA player, was adamant that the NBA could be in serious trouble if Donaghy sings.”
“Unfortunately, there is not really much more I can say about it.”
Putting this in perspective, it is unlikely that Donaghy will want to rat out anyone else who was involved, as this would anger a lot of people. Probably people that Donaghy does not want to anger.
If this does come out, and there were other officials and players involved, then this could be the end of the NBA as we know it. One bad apple is one thing, but if what we have been watching for the last few years has been a farce, than this will do more harm than any strike or scandal could.
We will stay on top of this at Not The Game.
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David Stern:
“… The first thing that I would like to say is that our rules are crystal clear; that referees may not either gamble on our games; or, provide information to anyone about those games…. … make it clear that not only aren’t they permitted to either gamble or provide information to people; they may not even provide other than to their immediate family the details of their travel schedules or the games they are going to work.”
This makes all kinds of sense to me. If someone knew that Eddie Rush and Tim Donaghy were reffing game 3 of the Phoenix vs Spurs game, the Spurs were a lock to beat the spread. Their combined ATS was 63-86-4. I’d certainly go with the numbers if I were betting, visiting team beats the spread 60% of the time with these two reffing. But wait, who does the scheduling of the refs for the NBA? Did someone want the Spurs to win in the office? Stretch the series, put more money in the NBA’s pocket? What other details about a game could a ref give that would be give a gambler and unfair advantage? So lets say I’m a smart gambler with crazy money. Why wouldn’t I put an ‘observer’ at every game. ‘Tell me what refs show up?’ I put big money on the game before the tip. I win 60%+ of the time. 60% of the time can be parlayed into huge money. HAVING CRAPPY REFS IS THE PROBLEM!
“…On the court, we have since the beginning of 2003 2004, been implementing a system that is designed to capture every call that a referee makes, and every non call that is deemed by observers to be incorrect. And our observer system works roughly as follows: We have retained 30 observers, one at each of our team’s games. They are in effect charting the game with respect to the calls and other observations that they make. They then review the game on tape. They then are audited, not every game, but selectively audited by the group supervisors that we have employed by the NBA…”
So when you say you have ‘the best monitored officials’ in professional sports, you’re talking about 1 observer at a game. Then they are audited, sometimes. Mr. Stern, you have 1000’s of observers at every game. They have said it millions of times. Listen to them. Listen to us!
“…And that is not to say that if something unusual popped up, we wouldn’t pursue it, but we it was not predominately developed as a screen for criminal activity…”
This is what is scary about it, nothing unusual ‘popped up’, and yet it wasn’t simply a ref making bad calls. It was ORGANIZED CRIME! How broke can this system be!
“Now, with respect to Mr. Donaghy, in 19 in January of 2005, it came to the NBA’s attention that he was involved in disputes with his neighbor which resulted in the filing of litigation in or about West Chester, Pennsylvania, where he resided.”
Come on now, this is a ref, how seriously can we take your investigation into a dispute with his neighbor? Wouldn’t you be more concerned with his testimonial for LASIK eye surgery to correct his vision, publicly saying his contacts dried out on the court, etc?
“Now, on June 20, we got a call from the Federal Bureau of Investigation telling us that they would like to come in and meet with us because one of our investigations June 20 of this year, by the way, I’m sorry. After our foreshortened Finals, we received a call from the FBI to say that they wanted to come and talk to us about a referee alleged to be gambling on games.”
I’m not sure I get the point here. A ‘foreshortened Finals’? Did you make that call? ‘Refs put the Cavs out of their misery’. Was it a TKO in the first? I understood it to be a best of 7 series. Wasn’t it?
“One, we’re extraordinarily thankful and appreciative of the efforts of the FBI and of the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the Justice Department.”
I’m thankful and appreciative as well, I just wish they could focus on bank robbers, murderers, drug dealers, instead of cleaning up the NBA’s mess.
“…We understand that he is accused of betting on games in the NBA. We are not positive it’s games that he worked, although I understand that some of those are games specifically that he worked; I understand that it may be that he bet on other games in which he didn’t work. I understand that he is accused of, or likely to be accused of, providing information to others for the purpose of allowing them to profit on betting on NBA games.”
What are you really trying to say here? Are you still in denial?
“…I am not I don’t know the number of games. I don’t know which games…”
We know which games, you could have visited our site!
“…And until this moment, I have not deployed substantial amounts of people to do the work that would be necessary to satisfy us, because I felt constrained by the FBI’s request that we not communicate this to anybody; so the smallest possible number of people knew about this in the NBA office and knew about the fact of this ongoing investigation…”
So on July 20 when you said “We would like to assure our fans that no amount of effort, time or personnel is being spared to assist in this investigation, to bring to justice an individual …” You really meant just that. You really contributed ‘NO amount of effort, time, or personnel to assist in the investigation”.
“…On July 9, Mr. Donaghy resigned. Suffice it to say that we would like to have terminated him earlier upon learning certain things, but it was our understanding that the investigation would best be aided if we did not terminate Mr. Donaghy. So, we did not, and he resigned…”
It was your understanding… did you ask? Mr. Stern, you were a lawyer, you know the right questions to ask. Didn’t you ask? Can we fire him? I guess it’s a mute point, it’s not like he had any upcoming games he was scheduled for, right?
“…We understand that the relevant time period being investigated is the past two seasons; that is, 2005 2006, and 2006 2007. I can tell you that during that period of time, Mr. Donaghy refereed 139 regular season games, eight playoff games, and four preseason games….”
Thanks for that breaking news…
“…Just a couple of other things. No. 1, there’s been some speculation that we knew that Donaghy was betting the season and nevertheless let him work. That’s not true….”
There’s more speculation that Donaghy sucked, as do a lot of the NBA referees what is being done about that?
“…I have been involved with refereeing, and obviously been involved with the NBA for 40 years in some shape or form. I can tell you that this is the most serious situation and worst situation that I have ever experienced either as a fan of the NBA, a lawyer for the NBA or a commissioner of the NBA. And we take our obligation to our fans in this matter very, very seriously, and I can stand here today and pledge that we will do every look back possible to analyze our processes and seek the best advice possible to see if there are changes that should be made and procedures that should be implemented to continue to assure fans that we are doing the best we possibly can.”
The refereeing would have to be taken out of the NBA’s hands. A separate organization is the only way officiating can be done fairly, accurately, and professionally. The NBA does basketball well… let someone else worry about the officiating. Someone that isn’t afraid to fire bad refs.
So what? who? Players? Coaches? Stu? You?
You’ve got to be kidding me! What do you think this is all about? Have you watched ESPN lately? When Jordan or Pete Rose gambled it was a big deal, when an a relatively unknown referee gambles it’s pretty clear that we’re talking about fixing games.
What do you mean No, no? Whats hard to figure out about this?
Question: He came in –
Stern: No, he didn’t come in. We received a letter. He resigned. Because we came to the belief that termination by us might hamper the ongoing investigation, and as a result, even though we knew he was going to be terminated, we did not because we did not want to be responsible for in any way, shape or form influencing the investigation.
You didn’t want to influence the investigation, nobody in the league office knew about it, so you basically stuck your head in the sand and ignored it till the media found out? So tell us about his pension plan?
Question: No, I don’t?
Stern: I don’t remember saying it that way. I think it was somehow connecting it to Las Vegas which I think is actually counter. I understand what I said was I understood, or what I say now, I understand why Las Vegas says that it is actually the check on illegal gambling, even though — the check on points spreads, even though it only represents to something under five percent of actual betting; the rest being 95 percent illegal, but it’s the connection between. As I recall the question, it was like, aren’t I worried that being in Las Vegas affects fixing of games, and that’s not.
Are you concerned that gambling lost to casinos bought an NBA franchise? Are the Maloof’s in Donaghy’s 5?
“Question: On your referee monitoring system in the arena, do you use existing TV cameras or do you have a separate number of cameras set up for this?
Stern: No, we use existing TV cameras. We have lots of different feeds.”
Now wait a another minute, I had season tickets for several years. You can’t see all of the refs actions, comments, or views from a TV camera. They’re simply not watching the whole court. When Haslem was ejected by Crawford he was looking for a reaction, when he should have been watching the action down court. The cameras aren’t enough.
So what your essentially saying is that you don’t know if a ref is making bad calls? Give me a call.. I can help.
Are you still in DENIAL?
A plea, is that guilty? That’s weak… tell us what you know!
Big shocks or upsets so far in the playoffs?
Not really…
The refs at this point are 5-1-1, and at this point the Dallas game looks like it may make it 6-1-1.
Only upset, Rockets over the Jazz.
Against the spread that is.
The combined records, for the home team against the spread, of the refs officiating the games are as follows:
Spurs vs. Nuggets: 86 - 98. Nuggets beat the spread (1-0 Refs)
Cavs vs. Wizards: 95 - 81. Cavs beat the spread (2-0 Refs)
Suns vs. Lakers: 87 - 100. Lakers beat the spread (3-0 Refs)
Toronto vs. Nets: 92 - 102. Nets beat the spread (4-0 Refs)
Miami vs. Chicago: 93-106. Push on the spread (4-0-1 Refs)
Detroit vs. Orlando: 87-107. Orlando beats the spread (5-0-1 Refs)
Jazz vs. Rockets: 108-85. Rockets beat the spread (5-1-1 Refs)
At the writing of this article Golden State is beating the spread by 14.5 pts, which would make the results (6-1-1 against the spread).
So you see, simply knowing which refs were calling the games, someone could have parlayed some serious cash.
Why was the All-Star game in Vegas again? Which team plays there?
Go Maloofs!
The NBA art of simulating an offensive foul may be hated, but it’s unlikely to go away
Doug Haller
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 18, 2007 12:00 AM
The NBA is a scorer’s league. Everything favors the offense: the rules, the officiating, the shot clock. It’s a jump shooter’s game. A penetrator’s paradise.
Backed into a corner, or maybe the lane, today’s defender does the only thing he can to make up the difference.
He flops. And, oh, how the masses cry foul. “It’s definitely frustrating because guys don’t play defense no more,” Suns center Amaré Stoudemire said. “They call it smart basketball.”
Flopping - the art of feigning an offensive foul - is nothing new, it just seems that way. Guys are falling backward - “like they were shot with a gun,” Suns reserve Marcus Banks said - at what seems like a record pace.
NBA Officials Take Too Much Abuse
Players and Coaches Cry, Beg and Plead for Calls
By Mark Krug
June 02, 2006
I have never been a huge NBA fan. Sure, when Jordan, Magic and Larry were balling it up I loved it, but today’s NBA simply has never caught my attention.
The NBA has lost many fans who once tuned in for the classic battles of the 80’s and 90s. The league has reversed its age and become younger and younger. As a result, the league has become immature and the level of play has declined causing many casual fans to turn the channel, including yours truly.
Conversely, living in Arizona the past two years, I have somehow found my way onto the Phoenix Suns bandwagon. Although, my seat is in the back of the wagon (1972 Ford Station-Wagon, it’s a woody!) next to a literally huge three-hundred pound Suns fan that has his body painted purple and is holding a sign that reads “NASHtasitc!” Have I really become a fan of the NBA? If so, can you blame me?
The 2006 playoffs have featured many exciting overtime classics and last second miracle shoots. The Phoenix Suns are an exciting team to watch and they boast some of the best players in the league. Their nucleus of two-time league MVP Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudamire has produced a level of success that the state of Arizona has not experienced since 1993.
The Suns have lured many casual fans like me back into the NBA the past two seasons with their exciting, fast-paced tempo. Due to the Suns ‘run’em out of the gym’ style along with the exciting play of the Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons and Dallas Mavericks, ratings for the NBA are up compared to last year.
Yet, after watching the most professional basketball in my life since 1998, I am reminded every night why I turned the channel years ago. No matter how much I try to look past it I still can not seem to understand why coaches and players find it necessary to constantly whine to officials. Every game you can virtually count on watching players and coaches cry to referees during the game over calls. Do they really think they never foul? It is pathetic and needs to stop.
NBA officials take too much abuse and are not given an ounce of respect from players or coaches. Every single coach and player is guilty of this offense and they continue to do it because nobody has told them to shut-up. They actually think complaining is their job.
Similar to how Major League Baseball home plate umpires don’t put up with any back talk from players regarding balls and strikes, the NBA needs to implement new rules that would prohibit players and coaches from constantly complaining about calls. You can bet that if a zero-tolerance policy were enforced in the NBA on this subject, the begging, crying, posturing and pleading would cease.
Contest an official’s call or show him up and you get a technical foul. Do it a second time, and you’re out of the game. And forget about playing favorites with star players, because they cry just as much as the Ron Artest’s and Rasheed Wallace’s of the league.
The current assault on officials in the NBA projects a bad image of the league to the casual fan that the NBA so desperately needs. It gives the wrong impression and helps aide conspiracy theorists out there who think that the games are fixed. It also brings to light the ever so frustrating ‘make-up call.’
And if you think you could do a better job officiating then I suggest you find the 10 best athletes in your town and try it on for yourself. When you begin to get yelled at and called every name in the book, remember that the referees you watch on TV are officiating 10 of the most athletically-superior human beings on this planet. It is not easy. NBA coaches and officials know this, but they continue to cry, complain, plead and throw temper tantrums like a five-year-old on a nightly basis, all in hopes of tipping the game in their favor.
You would assume that a commissioner would never willingly expose his employees to such routine abuse. Of anyone, NBA Commissioner David Stern should understand that the integrity of the officials is just as important to the success of the league as the coaches and players.
Want to show fans that the NBA is a serious professional sports league that has integrity? T-up Kobe Bryant or Steve Nash the first time they open their mouths to argue a call. I think coaches and players around the league would start to get the picture real quick. Suddenly attitudes would be adjusted and the league would begin to be more sportsman-like.
Though I probably will never be a die-hard NBA fan, the league will continue to lose the casual fan due to images fans see on the court. Last year, Stern made a bold move by imposing a dress code for all players to help improve the NBA’s image off the court…it’s time for him to improve the game’s image on the court and put an end to the crying game.
Read the AssociatedContent.com article here.
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